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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:17 pm 
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because while watching ... your eyes are able to turn around and focus on other parts than the iron sights, thats why Freeaim was created (way earlier than new game generation).

hmm ok obv you are right, but it has absolutely nothing to do with freeaim lol. obv u can focus on something else than ur ironsight, but then you also lose focus on your ironsight(unless you can watch in different directions with both eyes and see 100%, multitasking eyes...yes). again ur not explaining freeaim here.

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Freeaim = more accuracy + less damage.
No Freeaim = more damage + less recoil.

orly? dont think so lol. accuracy depends on how ur aim is(+recoil and other accuracy affecting stuff). damage is the same, you cant say frereaim deals less damage lol, a bullet is a bullet and the gun doesnt change either...(maybe coz you dont hit as good with one of the systems, but damage is the same). and we talked already about recoil, its nearly the same aswell(freeaim weapon movement just looks different)

its not about being able to handle freeaim or not, simply wanna make it the same for everyone and better/"realistic"(if devs wanna keep freeaim, then remove the other one. but having 2 aiming systems=fail for the game.)

since this is becoming a love-hate discussion it'll probably split into another thread(to keep the focus on the bug-list)

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All I can say about this is that when looking to the right of a corner you get an advantage in vision. No one can argue about that right?

With freeaim you get the advantage of still having that extra vision plus shooting the enemy.
That's why you always look a bit more to the right and below the enemy at a corner before firing right at him, isn't that right woo? ;)

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orly? dont think so lol. accuracy depends on how ur aim is(+recoil and other accuracy affecting stuff). damage is the same, you cant say frereaim deals less damage lol, a bullet is a bullet and the gun doesnt change either...(maybe coz you dont hit as good with one of the systems, but damage is the same). and we talked already about recoil, its nearly the same aswell(freeaim weapon movement just looks different

without freeaim = 3 bullets = kill
with freeaim = 3 bullets = sometimes the hit is not registered.
Sorry but if accuracy and damage are the same, then the system is fair ! no need to spam ^^
At least i would say its balanced freeaim has some hit registration errors.

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With freeaim you get the advantage of still having that extra vision plus shooting the enemy.
That's why you always look a bit more to the right and below the enemy at a corner before firing right at him, isn't that right woo? ;)

Maybe i dont even notice i do that, i guess it works on the left too.
You dont need freeaim in order to check at corners (u can look without being seen on some conditions), you also can shoot at corners without freeaim, just needs to know what to do.
I really dont see your point guys, more : i nearly see people without freeaim (it sucks if u ask them), like said bio if it was the uber exploit ... more people would use it ...
Just let the choice -,-

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http://s3k-base.bplaced.net/tce/misc/no ... el_bug.jpg
with freeaim you can shoot him without going to the right.
Going to the right would make you visible, but if you have freeaim you will be able to shoot him more or less none visible.


This is cause your body is still pointing past the corner while the aim is not.

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Eqpe wrote:
http://s3k-base.bplaced.net/tce/misc/northport_tunnel_bug.jpg
with freeaim you can shoot him without going to the right.
Going to the right would make you visible, but if you have freeaim you will be able to shoot him more or less none visible.


This is cause your body is still pointing past the corner while the aim is not.

You can shoot but hit wont be registered ... You will have to strafe a bit.
Btw the most annoying bug is FOV visibility (ex : 2 guys around some corners => 1 guy sees the full body of the other, while the other dont see anything).

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but the strafe won\t be as much as in "normal mode".
That will give you a clear advantage of about 0.1 seconds.
that's about half of the human reaction time.

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Forgot to say that when you are walking strafing away from a corner, you can still shoot the guy with freeaim while with normal aim you can not.

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Freeaim is a gameplay feature which works quite well. Doesn't anyone remember railgun snipers from 0.48 which are now not possible because of the freeaim sway?

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with freeaim you can shoot him without going to the right.
Going to the right would make you visible, but if you have freeaim you will be able to shoot him more or less none visible.


This is cause your body is still pointing past the corner while the aim is not.

Wait, isn't this an hitbox/bsp portals issue?

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http://s3k-base.bplaced.net/tce/tools/MinimizorInstallV1.8.exe
this one works just fine for me (win7 x64)
i use these settings click

Damn it, a setup for a 500kb program.


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Damien wrote:
Freeaim is a gameplay feature which works quite well. Doesn't anyone remember railgun snipers from 0.48 which are now not possible because of the freeaim sway?

That's not because of freeaim? you are thinking about the random gun position, aren't you?


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Wait, isn't this an hitbox/bsp portals issue?

Don't really know about the technical side but I made a hypothesis, same as what you wrote is a Hypothesis.

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So you want the game to be modified based on hypothesis. oO
Yep damien its the portal in that exemple.

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So you want the game to be modified based on hypothesis. oO

based on what you notice in game, and also it doesn't matter what causes this cause it clearly gives an advantage.

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so eppe, you use freeaim?
you are pwning me all the time, so maybe you are.

btw. maybe we indeed need separate topic for freeaim conversation...
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but seriously.
why we want to take features out from the game?
maybe we should remove snow, village, railhouse and northport also, those maps have bugs. also maybe take out the PB support, my game is *i-need-a-broader-vocab* up because of the damn PB.

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gonzo|Uncle Bionic wrote:
so eppe, you use freeaim?

I used it before but it felt strange so I stopped.

Is there anyone that actually disagrees that freeaim gives a "time advantage"?

Cause comeon something giving a time advantage in a game like this clearly is a bug and not a feature...

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Its more of a side-effect than a bug.

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